Riz (King Ly Chee) on Hardcore in the Far East
David: Can you name all the King Ly Chee members and what instruments they play?
Riz: My name is Riz and I’m a 26-year-old Pakistani who has resided in the lovely bustling metropolis of Hong Kong my entire life (except for 4 and a half years spent at a University in USA) and I sing and play guitar in the band. Alex is a 22-year-old Chinese who has never lived anywhere except for Hong Kong and sings and plays bass. Andy is Alex ‘s 24-year-older brother who plays guitar and joined us August of 2001 after he graduated from University in USA and returned home to where his heart is. Kevin is a 26-year-old Chinese/Australian who plays the drums and moved back to Hong Kong almost 5 years ago from Australia where he grew up and where his family still lives. Detailed enough for you!? Haha
David: Can you list some cd’s you’ve been listening to recently?
Riz: For me it will range from Most Precious Blood to U2 to Evergreen Terrace to American Nightmare to Jurassic 5, for Alex its from Throwdown to Time Spent Driving, for Andy its In Pieces to Envy, for Kevin its Good Clean Fun to Madball to drum n ‘ bass stuff. We always try to keep up with what ‘s going on in hardcore worldwide since we don ‘t get zines here we really do have to work a bit harder by constantly searching sites, when we have the time, to read reviews and articles about new releases and bands.
David: How, when and why did the band start? How many line-up changes have you been through?
Riz: To sum up the last 4 years is going to be tough and I ‘m leaving out a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT but basically, the band started in May of 1999 after I moved back to Hong Kong from attending University in the US. I returned here around February-March of 1999 and was not involved with the punk scene that was going on because I was not in a band at the time. Not being in a band, I was able to view everything as an outsider and see the bigger picture. See, punk rock has existed in HK for a very long time. But for the local Chinese community it has always been something that has been considered an “expat” thing.
The bands and people who worked their asses off creating an incredible punk rock scene in Hong Kong consisted of expatriate kids while attending secondary school here. While they were here, things were exciting with awesome local punk bands like Pregnant Men, That Guys Belly, Tokyo Sex Whale, etc. playing crazy shows, starting their own labels and consistently releasing a whole barrage of zines. But as they all graduated from secondary school and moved on with their lives outside of HK, all remnants of their hard work eventually disappeared. It was a never-ending cycle – with a new batch of expat kids creating something then it dying off when they graduated. It sucked.
Slowly it became apparent to me that for HK ‘s punk/hardcore scene to actually last we needed to get the local kids involved. I always wondered why their weren ‘t more locals involved anyway. These kids are the ones who will forever live and breathe Hong Kong, be educated in HK, work in HK, get married and die here and for who the ideas of hardcore would benefit the most. If they were involved their bands would last longer than the average 2 years that the expat bands lasted. Anyway, shows at that time were full of expat kids supporting he expat punk bands and once they were done, the whole room would clear out leaving only a few kids to support the local bands who performed before or after. I hated this weird segregation that went on. One of the reasons that I fell in love with punk/hardcore in the beginning was because of it was a culture that promoted acceptance of ANYONE and EVERYONE ‚Äòcause it was all based on who and not what they were. So I tried desperately to think about ways of killing off this unhealthy segregation and start integrating local kids to create a punk/hardcore scene that was a much better representation of Hong Kong.
Then it hit me one night when I was talking to the bass player, Pat, of one of my favorite all time HK bands The Green Partner (another band completely forgotten) outside of a bar in an area called Wan Chai. I was just like, how can we get more local kids involved? After throwing out reasons and ideas for a while I realized that what we needed in HK was somewhere that HK kids could get information like a zine/mailorder thing that would start all over again and explain punk rock AND hardcore (the latter being what I really wanted to focus on here) from scratch – hence the name of my zine Start From Scratch. As Pat and I got excited about this I realized that the biggest obstacle for the local Chinese population in getting involved was language. If we really wanted to promote something as deep as the hardcore ideology we had to provide it in the most accessible language – which is Chinese. In the same conversation I realized that just a zine wouldn ‘t be enough – kids would need to experience the sights, sounds and emotions of a hardcore band to connect the ideas with reality and so I decided to start King Ly Chee.
I wasn ‘t in a band at the time anyway and since I had been playing in bands since I was 13, being bandless was killing me. So what better reason to get back into playing then not only for the love of playing, but also with a beautiful purpose of introducing a healthy, positive and active culture of hardcore to Hong Kong. I wanted to include a mailorder so kids could read articles about punk/hardcore and then in the middle of the zine could scan through a mailorder section to pick out records from active hardcore/punk bands worldwide. With this I got to work and a month after I brainstormed this idea, both King Ly Chee and the first issue of Start From Scratch came out.
So that ‘s how both the band and Start From Scratch started. The zine has been a bilingual publication since day one with friends I met through skateboarding or through attending shows who offered to help translate my articles etc. If it weren ‘t for them the zine would have remained an English-only zine and which would not have helped achieve what I wanted to and would not have been as widely known as it is now.
The band has changed a lot since then – myself, being the only original member left. The early bass players left the band because they were leaving HK to study abroad. The drummer was never into punk/hardcore deeper then just the music/fashion so his departure was something I had been hoping for. Not only until Alex joined the band did the real King Ly Chee begin to take form. Alex had been a bigtime reader of the zine and had always watched King Ly Chee perform at shows. What always attracted him to the zine and the band was the purpose of using hardcore to positively influence the youth of HK, the topics of our songs and ideals. When our bass player Ian left the band, I began talking to Alex who was actually singing for another band at the time that had just called it quits.
Alex told me that he originally played the bass and would be interested in playing the bass for King Ly Chee. But before he made a decision, he wanted me to explain all our lyrics and the purpose of the band clearly which got me so psyched and I knew immediately I wanted him to be a part of this.
He joined in June of 2000 right when we finished recording our first album We Are Who We Are. After he joined he revolutionized our sound, attitude and ideas. His first comment was, “our lyrics are in English, we should start singing in Chinese so our message and point is clearly understood.‚Äù Since he joined the band has become a bilingual band, which has worked wonders in opening up our music, message and lyrics to kids throughout Hong Kong and have been able to branch our stuff out to Mainland China and Taiwan.
After our drummer left, good friends who were playing in other bands at the time volunteered to keep King Ly Chee going. It was really touching – these guys didn ‘t want us to stop promoting our message or stop playing our music so they volunteered to play with us until we found someone permanent. Andy joined in the summer of 2001 just when we found a fatter version of our first drummer who we thought would be our permanent drummer. When we made the reality check about the similarities in personalities between our first drummer and this guy, we realized he wouldn ‘t last. A year later things started getting from bad to worse and we asked him to leave.
Not only until my good friend Kevin joined, did we finally, after years of searching, find the right person to play drums for us. He had grown up listening to heavy music including hardcore and was psyched to be a part of us.
So that my friends, brings us to the King Ly Chee that we have today! Wasn ‘t that interesting! Just kidding‚
David: How many releases in the way of albums have you available?
Riz: We released a full length titled We Are Who We Are in 2000 by ourselves and a few songs appeared on local HK, Mainland China and Taiwan compilations. We ‘re working on our second album called Stand Strong now and hope to get it out by April of 2003. The reason for the long break between We Are Who We Are and our new record is because of the drummer changes that we mentioned above. HK is a tiny tiny city and the chances of finding a drummer who was actually into the message of hardcore, as well as the music, was VERY slim. The three of us, Alex, Andy and myself have had the hardcore/punk rock culture/movement have a dramatic impact on our lives in terms of giving us a direction and more importantly a positive outlook on life. To us, hardcore is much deeper than just music and we really wanted to represent hardcore as best as we could by talking about it in local media, interviews etc.
But our drummers were more the session type then permanent members. They didn ‘t share the life altering effects of hardcore. It took us years to find Kevin going through 4 drummers in that time. All our previous drummers were good drummers but their hearts simply weren ‘t into the whole reason we started this band. Since day one we wanted to positively effect the youth of HK by addressing local problems that we felt were ignored or not touched upon by anyone. (HK is an apathetic city with very few people concerned about issues such as the environment, the elderly, racism etc. Lives are lived forever in pursuit of financial and material happiness; too busy to wonder about the youth. We wanted to use this band to address this situation.)
When Kevin joined it was like a weight had been lifted of our shoulders because he was someone that actually listens to hardcore whom then knows exactly where we ‘re coming from musically, lyrically and in terms of our attitude. Our second album is going to be a much better representation of the band – we ‘re so excited about it‚
David: What bands would you say have influenced your sound the most?
Riz: For our sound definitely bands like Shai Hulud, Sick of it All, Bane, Poison the Well, Envy (Japan), American Nightmare, Good Clean Fun, Time Spent Driving, The Appleseed Cast, In Pieces, U2, Coldplay, Slayer, Harvest, early-Sepultura, Dillinger 4…the list is endless‚
Lyrically (which is as important to us if not more) positive hardcore bands with message-oriented lyrics whether that be a personal message about life experiences or socio/political. Lyrics could make or a break a band for us cause the music could be great but if we open the booklet to find lyrics that don ‘t impact us in the form of provoking us to think about an issue or something personal then the connection isn ‘t as powerful. To understand this you would have to look at the environment that we ‘re brought up in to see why we really care about lyrics and music with substance. We live in Hong Kong, a city absolutely absorbed in Canto-Pop (Cantonese Pop music) music. You can ‘t escape it here. It just follows you everywhere like a horrible disease. Take the subways, television, posters, advertisements, magazines, drinks; everything is plastered with this substanceless crap and kids are bombarded with it from day one.
The lyrics are pathetic half-hearted written words that are copied and pasted from earlier hits and centered on the typical pop topics of love and romance. HK companies believe in a formula when it comes to lyrics and musical arrangements – this formula has worked for decades so there ‘s no reason to change it. So when people like me, first heard bands like Sick of it All or Bad Religion back in the day through skateboarding I was totally blown away. I was so psyched to read lyrics with so much meaning, backed by awesome music it was the best. That ‘s what got me into hardcore in the first place and that ‘s how I want to represent hardcore to the world.
When I hear “hardcore‚Äù bands today who emphasis music more than a message, it just doesn ‘t do anything to me. Might as well just call yourself nu-metal and be done with the connection! Hahaha‚
Lyrics that have impacted us over the many many years are of the bands mentioned above and also include stuff like This Machine Kills, Youth of Today, Boy Sets Fire, Bad Religion, 400 Years, Minor Threat, Strike Anywhere, Hot Water Music, Throwdown, Crimpshrine, Refused, Avail, Warzone, Operation Ivy, Most Precious Blood, and so much more.
David: As far as lyrics go, what kind of things do you write about and where do you draw your inspiration?
Riz: Lyrics are all based on personal experiences we ‘ve had. Take for example a song called “Lik Kit‚Äù (pronounced Lick-Keat). This song was written through constant observation of the way we treat the elderly in HK. In HK its not surprising to find the elderly clearing up trash in McDonalds or out on the streets. In a popular bar area in HK called Lan Kwai Fong, which is located on quite a steep hill, late at night it ‘s the elderly who are the ones clearing up the mess. They have these huge carts, which get super heavy after collecting trash, which they have to wheel down the hill. Watching these people strain or over-exert themselves like that leaves us heart broken and influenced us to write about it to give kids a chance to think about how odd the situation is. In Asian culture, the elderly are considered treasures. So what happened? When did the tables turn so drastically?
So all our lyrics are based on our experiences of living in HK. Lyrics include dealing with racism, the elderly, education, materialism, and general topics of getting kids to have more confidence in themselves and what they want to do with their lives inspiring kids to have some direction.
David: How has King Ly Chee’s sound changed/progressed since you first formed?
Riz: When we first started we always integrated elements of hardcore, metal, punk, emo, indie-rock together, sometimes into the same song. This part hasn ‘t changed but we ‘ve definitely gotten much heavier. Our vocals have also gotten much more emotional for me personally compared to the early days. The progression was natural since in the beginning I wrote everything, guitar, drums, arrangements, and vocals – it was all done by one person. Now, with Alex, Andy and ESPECIALLY Kevin in the band, everything is written together so our songs are bound to sound different. Our songs are much heavier now because that ‘s what everyone ‘s into, what everyone grew up on and thus, is what everyone brings to the table. I love this band chemistry we have. I love the feeling of having brothers in a band with awesome ideas and who can create something moving together. Finding the right members is so important and I ‘m happy that the 4 of us found each other.
David: What’s the general music scene in Hong Kong like?
Riz: The mainstream scene is based on commercial, formulaic pop. I have nothing against pop Рsome pop can be great to relax to but in HK these records are not released by actual musicians or singers. In HK, actors and actresses or notable figures that have become popular are suddenly thrown record contracts to exploit on their popularity and demand. Basically, any celebrity here can release a cliché pop album after suddenly being thrown a record contract from a record company that will write everything for them, all they have to do is somewhat sing the melody and the lyrics that are given to them. The end result is the same pop album released a million times every year, nothing new and definitely nothing inspiring.
On the underground level though, there are other types of music but they don ‘t get much support nor do they EVER get opportunities to create music for a living or their lives. People like me who don ‘t want to be broke when we ‘re older have to balance trying to make a career out of this band as well as a “regular” career through jobs. Its one of the biggest conflicts – to put our hearts, soul and everything into the band with the knowledge that this is not what will be paying the bills ever maybe because in HK ‘s entire history there may have only been 2 bands who have been able to do this for a living. That ‘s why most underground bands are actually together as more of a hobby/interest then something they ‘re seriously considering pursuing. Once they get to a working age they pretty much give up playing music.
We in this band deal with the fear of not knowing how we ‘ll be able to survive once we get older. But we live with the belief that this is what we want to do with our lives. We have seen first hand the positive effect we ‘ve had on the psyche of the HK youth. We ‘ve read heartfelt and emotional e-mails by people who thank us for the lyrics in a certain song or for introducing hardcore to them. This is what keeps us committed. We ‘re just working hard to create a hardcore community where kids can focus all their extra time and energy into starting bands or getting involved with organizations that benefit society or to pursue anything that their hearts strongly believe in.
David: Do the punk/hardcore/metal bands in Hong Kong go in for a particular style of sound?
Riz: Not really. All the punk, hardcore or metal bands don ‘t really mimic any foreign bands, BUT I do have to say that some (not all) HK nu-metal bands do sound WAY TOO much like Korn, Soulfly or Slipknot. But the metal, punk and hardcore bands all seem to have created their own sound, which is hard to do, but we ‘ve all managed to keep things pretty original. One amazing Hong Kong metal band that everyone in King Ly Chee loves is Departing Cross. They are the perfect blend of all the types of metal I used to love – thrash to death to speed metal. So good‚
David: How does the hardcore scene in Hong Kong compare with, say, Europe or America?
Riz: We are a billion times smaller! Our entire scene consists of 3 hardcore bands of which Alex and I play in 2 of them. 4 years ago there wasn ‘t a single hardcore band in HK, we were the first. When we started Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot were all labeled “hardcore” so we were met with a lot of negativity because we played shows without an MC, a DJ and turntables. Hahaha Kids would say we weren ‘t real hardcore because we didn ‘t rap. This is the negative impact that nu-metal and rap-metal has had on the world. It ‘s definitely not the fault of the local kids for assuming that these nu-metal bands were hardcore. Everything for them was based on whatever the local Chinese magazines and media defined. All the major labels that released these nu-metal bands manipulated the media. For the majors, the word “hardcore” is so much more marketable then “nu-metal” (no one had heard the term “nu-metal” at the time).
This was the utter importance of coming out with something in print to counter these false definitions before the damage got worse. I mean, at least in HK we had my zine that redefined it clearly – but in places like Mainland China and Taiwan they didn ‘t have stuff like this. So in those places, not until just recently have they finally realized the difference between Ill Nino and Sick of it All. It was tough man. I closed the mailorder portion of my zine after issue #3 because kids weren ‘t into the Sick of it All, Refused or Snapcase CD ‘s I was selling. Kids would say that Sick of it All wasn ‘t as heavy as Limp Bizkit, which was like someone stabbing me in the heart! Hahaha But when we look at what we have created now through our perseverance and hard work, its so easy to forget all the shit we had to go through in the beginning. If you look at kids websites in HK today, some have Sick of it All written as major inspirations! I can ‘t believe that! It makes me feel so proud for not giving up that I kept going no matter how tough the odds were.
Another difference is that kids in HK are learning about hardcore for the very first time and so they ‘re not jaded like kids in the States are who ‘ve had hardcore for 20+ years. The message element of hardcore is what kids in HK love about hardcore and personally, this is the type of hardcore we ‘d rather be a part of. In the States, it seems really unpopular to play in a hardcore band with messages or an agenda – it seems really cool to just play heavy music in the States and that ‘s a bit disappointing. We ‘re all fans of heavy music of course, (I grew up on a lot of heavy stuff like Slayer and early Sepultura.) but every time we read an interview with a hardcore band who have absolutely nothing to say, its a bit heart wrenching. But we still get really amazing supportive messages from hardcore people in the UK (like you Dave!), Europe and the States so we know that there are still people who believe in hardcore which is reassuring.
When Himsa did a month long tour through Asia purposely playing in countries and cities who have never seen a hardcore band play, that was one of the greatest things any US hardcore band could ‘ve done. They paid for the entire tour themselves traveling to shows in the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, HK, China, Korea, and Japan playing at shows through like 60-watt guitar amps and kids stagediving with slippers on! It was great! Hong Kong and China were the last 2 stops of their tour and when they got here they were a battered and bruised army who had 2 last missions before they could return home. They were exhausted, some of them had gotten sick, they had not been eating right, but when they met the kids here they were psyched. When they got on stage all hell broke loose – kids were watching true 100% US hardcore for the first time and it was great. One of the funniest things was when the guitar player Casey saw a JCM 900 half-stack on stage that I rented for him to use; I had never seen a bigger simle! Hahaha‚
Things like that reassure us that people in the US and Europe do still believe in this culture, and that feels great makes us feel like we ‘re not alone.
David: How does the scene in Hong Kong compare with the rest of Asia itself?
Riz: When people think of hardcore in Asia they automatically picture Japan. Yes, in Japan bands from the States can be invited with trips fully paid for by the promoter/organizer of the show. But in the rest of Asia, hardcore is not as big. Meaning, if bands come here they ‘re paying for their trip out of their own pockets, which deters a lot of bands from coming here. This is understandable; who would want to play in a city where there is no guarantee that anyone is going to show up? Especially if you ‘re used to 500+ guaranteed to show up at shows in Japan or elsewhere. It ‘s a bit humbling.
But hardcore has existed in Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia and Singapore for a VERY LONG time. The kids down there are diehard hardcore kids who believe in everything that hardcore has stood for from day one. They have their own DIY hardcore networks to distribute zines, tapes, patches, or whatever from their own hardcore/punk rock labels. Its great! They have straight edge communities, vegan communities, stuff like that – that ‘s how many people are involved in punk/hardcore down there. Its totally different from what we ‘ve got going on in the part of Asia that consists of Hong Kong, China, Thailand, and Taiwan.
The main problem with this area is that English is not a widely spoken or understood language, which closes the door to kids who want to learn about hardcore but can ‘t communicate or digest information they read or see. Like I mentioned above, they in turn resort to HMV, Asian MTV or Channel V for their information. It ‘s these companies that while capitalizing on the word “hardcore” end up confusing the nu-metal, rap/rock thing with hardcore and for which then people like us have to battle against.
Thailand is a fucking GREAT scene that started around the same time as we did by an active kid named Chris who writes Arise Zine and who owns Elephant Eye Records (who just released Most Precious Blood and Nora on tape format in Thailand). Chris and I worked pretty much doing the same things, facing the same obstacles in each other ‘s scenes. If there ‘s anyone in Asia I can call a comrade – it ‘s this guy! Hahaha We constantly sent e-mails back and forth encouraging each other when we really needed some supportive words. He ‘s great and what he has done for the Thailand scene is amazing – they have 7 hardcore bands there now!!! A couple years ago they had 1!
Taiwan is picking up as well they have one emotional/hardcore band called Fall Of This Corner who rock and who are also Taiwan ‘s first Straight Edge band. And kids are getting more and more interested in hardcore. Some of them come from Taiwan ‘s punk scene, which is pretty big, or through a nu-metal background with kids who want to start listening to heavy bands that have some deeper meaning.
China is a LARGE country so the Northern part is pretty different from the Southern. In the North, punk rock is huge. Especially in cities like Wuhan and Beijing. But there are no hardcore bands anywhere in Mainland China. The Southern part of China consists of large cities like Hong Kong, Shenzhen and Guangzhou. Hong Kong you ‘ve already read about above. Shenzhen has nothing and Guangzhou is pretty barren right now as well, though nu-metal and hip-hop is huge there.
David: Do any of your band members live a vegan/straight-edge lifestyle? What are your thoughts on the movement as a whole and do any bands in hong kong go in for it?
Riz: Alex and I are straight edge and have been promoting this lifestyle in a positive way. We are not the hardline-extreme-type who use straight edge as a criteria to befriend people. That ‘s just ridiculous but I don ‘t think anyone segregates people like this anymore anyway, at least I hope no one does that still! Our X ‘s are on our hands and when people ask us to explain then we do. We started up Hong Kong ‘s first straight edge hardcore band called Guan 36 and introduce straight edge and that ‘s it. From day one its been about respecting peoples differences, if people choose to drink and smoke then that ‘s fine. Everyone has the freedom to make their own choices – as long as they respect our choice of lifestyle then we respect theirs.
Kids in Hong Kong are definitely getting into the whole Straight Edge and Vegan thing. After I released Start From Scratch issue #8 with an interview with Geert of Shai Hulud where he spoke passionately and emotionally about being a Vegan, a few kids became Vegan in HK. (Shai Hulud fucking rules ) But we ‘re all part of hardcore here, no one is segregated because they ‘re straight edge or not, vegan or not, we all realize that this is a part of hardcore and we ‘re all a part of it.
David: Have you played any shows outside of Hong Kong?
Riz: Yeah, we ‘ve toured through Mainland China self-funded, played in Taiwan 3 times (including 2 short tours) and played 6 shows within 3 days in Seoul, Korea, which was HELL. Each trip we go on has been to cooperate with people in these areas who have also been doing what we ‘ve been doing here. We go over to help them give others a chance to feel the strength of the music and culture.
David: Where do you see the Hong Kong scene in 5 years time?
Riz: 4 years ago I couldn ‘t imagine that an idea that I had with a friend outside of a bar in the seedy district of Wan Chai, could have created the Hong Kong Hardcore scene we have now. I ‘m already blown away by what has developed. Punk shows pre-1999 were 100% expat kids. Shows in the last couple years have been 100% local Hong Kong kids. All 3 of the hardcore bands (Guan 36, 5 Disciplines and King Ly Chee) and the 4 new punk rock bands (Hardpack, Lark, Bustle and one more) consist of local Chinese kids and/or people for whom Hong Kong forever will remain their home. The audience is a united force of races, age, sex, and people who are united by hardcore/punk rock. If everything keeps progressing at this rate I hope that we ‘ll have a scene that has 10 or 20 hardcore bands with records and zines out for the world to see. I hope that in 5 years hardcore in Asia will have grown and connected in such a way that bands and labels in the States, the UK or Europe will begin to want to work with us here.
David: If anybody would like to check out King Ly Chee or other Hong Kong hardcore bands (hear some sounds or purchase some cd’s) what would be the best way to do so?
Riz: For King Ly Chee and anything related to hardcore in Hong Kong just get on our website. We have an audio page where we ‘ve uploaded songs from all 3 HK hardcore bands and will keep adding bands as more develop. We have links to other hardcore/punk rock-related bands and people in the Asian region up on our site as well. Get on and if there ‘s anything anyone wants to know more about, feel free to e-mail us.
David: What are you goals/ambitions for the band?
Riz: Basically, if you read through everything here its pretty clear. We ‘re just here to promote the hardcore culture in Hong Kong, and now throughout the rest of Asia. We believe in its strength to make even the loneliest soul feel complete. It gives solace to the outcasts of society and school and teaches people to just be better people. It actively inspires people to start thinking about their surroundings and their environment and encourages people to at least try to make a change – nothing will change overnight but if you just sit around and complain without doing anything then what does that accomplish? This band and what we ‘ve got here in HK today is total proof of this. No one was doing anything, just sitting around complaining. It took an active mind to just go out and at least just give it a shot.
David: Thanks for your time.
Riz: Of course we ‘d like to thank you Dave for giving us this awesome opportunity to let more people outside of Asia learn about us and what we ‘ve been doing here in Hong Kong. It ‘s always great to communicate and discuss stuff with our peers around the world especially those who still have faith in this culture. We want to thank you, the reader, for sitting through this LONG LONG interview! Sorry to be a pain! When Dave first told me he was going to do this interview I figured that this would probably be the first time for most of you readers to find about us in Hong Kong as well as Asia, so I wanted to make sure you guys could get a clearer picture of what ‘s going on here. If you guys have time please check out the following Hong Kong punk and hardcore bands and the others we have up on our site:
King Ly Chee: http://www.kinglychee.com/
Guan 36: www.kinglychee.com/guan36.htm
5 Disciplines: www.geocities.com/fivedisciplines
Hardpack: hardpack.hk.st
Finally, one of our dreams is to be able to tour the States, the UK and Europe and meet other bands and people that have dedicated their lives to hardcore. Hopefully this will work out – we ‘re patient and persistent enough! So we have no doubt that we ‘ll be doing this sometime in our lives. Hope to see you guys soon!